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I don’t know what asshat made this, as it just popped up randomly on MemeGenerator.net when I was going to the Roleplaying Rabbit, but this is so ABSOLUTELY FUCKING ENRAGING that I’m reblogging and hoping that it gets back to the creator by some kind of internet osmosis.
Some facts for you, you asshole:
1. Circumcision is not mandated in very many religions.
Christians are not required to circumcise. In fact, historically, some Christians have been forbidden to circumcise. (The Roman Catholic Church formally condemned the ritual observance of circumcision and ordered against its practice in the Ecumenical Council of Basel-Florence in 1442- if I had to guess, probably because of Leviticus 19:28, which expressly forbids cutting or marking upon the body.)
Pagans/Wiccans are not required to circumcise.
Ba’hai are not required to circumcise.
Hindus are not required to circumcise.
Sikhs are forbidden to circumcise.
And on and on and on. Circumcision is only very rarely a religious issue (such as in Judaism). And on that…
2. Not all religious Jews circumcise.
Hi. I’m Jewish- observant and religious. And I support intactivism. My sons, should I have any (currently, I have only one child- a daughter), will never be circumcised. And there a lot of other Jews out there like me. There are enough like me out there that there’s an entire alternative ceremony for baby boys on the eighth day after their births, called brit shalom, for us to use instead of brit milah (ritual circumcision). There are enough like me out there that there’s an intactivist movement in Israel. IN ISRAEL.
And the book “Questioning Circumcision” by Dr. Ronald Goldman.
3. Not all Jews who DO cirumcise believe in G-d.
Jewish is not just a religious descriptor, like Christian. It’s an ethnic descriptor (which breaks down into further ethnic descriptors, like Ashkenazi [white Jews of Eastern or Western European descent, especially German descent], Sephardi [Spanish or Portuguese Jews, or Central/South American Jews of Spanish or Portuguese descent], Mizrahi [Arab Jews], Italikim [Italian Jews], Beta Israel [North African Jews, particularly Ethiopians], Kaifeng [Chinese Jews], Yokohama [Japanese Jews], etc., etc.). It’s also a cultural descriptor (each of the above-mentioned groups has their own traditional language, foods, and other ways of living).
There are entire organizations for ethnically/culturally Jewish atheists, such as The Society for Humanistic Judaism.
A crapton of Jews who’ve circumcised their sons are ethnic or cultural Jews who are avowed atheists, who did it for reasons of family tradition or family resemblance. (I think it’s weird as hell, not to mention completely illogical, when a father insists that his son be circumcised because he wants his son’s penis to look like his own. But it happens. All. The. Time.) They didn’t do it because they’re invested in preserving that particular part of the covenant.
4. The vast majority of circumcision in the United States is “medical” circumcision, NOT religious circumcision.
Raise your hand if you are, or have met, or have had sex with, a circumcised gentile. I’m willing to bet there’s a lot of hands up right now. Most baby boys in my country are circumcised in the hospital by a doctor with a Gomco, Mogen or Plastibell clamp- NOT at home/in temple by a mohel with medical shears. Even a lot of Jewish baby boys are circumcised this way, instead of having a traditional bris. (See above on non-religious Jews who circumcise for other reasons.)
Plenty of atheists with no cultural identification with Judaism still go ahead and circumcise. Check out the chapter of “The Kid: What Happened After My Boyfriend And I Decided To Go Get Pregnant (An Adoption Story)” by Dan Savage in which he and his boyfriend get into a protracted fight on whether or not to circumcise their son. Both Dan and Terry, his boyfriend, are atheists- Dan from an Irish Catholic family, Terry from an English Episcopalian one. Terry, like the fathers I mentioned above, is moved by a desire to have his son’s penis resemble his own.
5. You do not have to be circumcised to be Jewish.
This right here? This is the thing that gets overlooked so much whenever the topic of ritual circumcision comes up. This is the thing that makes me crazy when people blame religion for circumcision, whether they’re for or against the practice.
Let me repeat that very carefully: You. Do. Not. Have. To. Be. Circumcised. To. Be. Jewish.
To be Jewish, you have to either:
A) Have a Jewish mother (this gets you into ANY Jewish movement, whether Orothodox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist, Karaite, etc.), OR
B) Have a Jewish father (Reform movement only), OR
C) Formally convert with classes, study, choosing a Hebrew name, satisfactorily expressing yourself to a Beit Den and taking your walk through a mikveh.
End of story. Adult male converts generally aren’t asked to be circumcised unless they’re trying to go into an Ultraorthodox community.
And the funny thing is? When that happens, there’s still no baby’s penis being mutilated, because the convert in question is an adult who is choosing that for himself.
So there you have it.
And, in conclusion…